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  45 JW Rules/Teachings that "go beyond" writings of the Bible

  by oompa in

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  (1 corinthians 4:6) .

  .that in our case you may learn the [rule]: do not go beyond the things that are written,.

  .. 45 jw rules/teaching that "go beyond the things that are written" in the bible.

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  An excellent list I want to say! Thanks.

  It really gets you to think about how much nonsense we let go right over our heads under the pretense that God's channel is talking to us.

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  StandFirm Says The Watchtower Society Has Never Lied!

  by LostGeneration in

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  check it out:.

  http://stayawake-standfirm.blogspot.com/2011/04/watchtower-society-has-never-lied.html.

  standfirms disclaimer is that the definition of a lie is: "to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive"-emphasis added.. of course, other definitions of lie include: .

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  Looks like info I should share with some people I know. Thanks!!

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  Any videogamers here?

  by R.F. in

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  this is my #1 hobby.

  i have a ps2, psp, and xbox.

  i was mainly an xbox kind of guy until they completely abandoned it soon after the 360 was released.

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  Completely agree with J. Hofer. I especially love Uncharted 2 online. I can't get enough of it. I have not bought any new games because of how awesome it is. Of course, I haven't been able to play recently because of the PSN issues, but I look forward to it.

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  Undercover apostates...

  by Maze in

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  i've observed some forum users here that claim to be active witnesses (even claims to be ministerial servants or elders) while duplicitously supporting apostates online.

  my contention is this; why attend meetings and/or participate in the preaching activity when the second you divulge your apostate thinking into the congregation, you'll be disfellowshipped?

  while this action taken may seem to be harsh, the outworking of events wouldn't be much different in one of christendom's churches.

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  jwfacts said: Since Holy Spirit does not reveal these people, it is a good indication that God is not directing the congregations.

  Excellent point! The holy spirit supposedly reveals the truth, ........but not the truth about people!!

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  Today's WT Study Stupidity About Df'ing

  by metatron in

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  in today's watchtower study, towards the end, you had one of those typical comments by a former df'ed witness expressing appreciation for being shunned.

  these comments always remind me of a stalinist show trial in which the accused enthusiastically accepts being executed for the greater good (probably to save his family).. after this kind of nonsense is expressed, you will get a flurry of self righteous comments emphasizing how important it is to shun your disfellowshipped relatives, so that they can come back in the "truth".. oh, really?

  do any of these people raising their hand realize that, if the "success" of disfellowshipping depends on your shunning, then the "repentant" person is "coming back in the truth" for the sake of their relatives -and not because of fearing jehovah !!!???.

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  @ JW GoneBad - Gotta love sarcasm!! LOL

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  JWs Not Allowed to Post on Websites?

  by StandFirm in

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  this seems to be a favorite topic to bring up to any witnesses who post on any website where there are any opposers, either here or topix or anywhere.. so, here is the one and only place i will be discussing it.

  who can prove that witnesses are specifically told not to post on websites about them?.

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  Don't worry Standfirm. We understand that deep down inside, it's still a battle.

  

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  JWs Not Allowed to Post on Websites?

  by StandFirm in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this seems to be a favorite topic to bring up to any witnesses who post on any website where there are any opposers, either here or topix or anywhere.. so, here is the one and only place i will be discussing it.

  who can prove that witnesses are specifically told not to post on websites about them?.

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  Here, I found something below that should help Maze and Standfirm. And NO - it's NOT written by apostates. It's the 2008 edition but it should be updated soon. Hope it can be of help.

  

  Happy to make a worthwhile contribution to this thread!

  CoC
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  Today's WT Study Stupidity About Df'ing

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in today's watchtower study, towards the end, you had one of those typical comments by a former df'ed witness expressing appreciation for being shunned.

  these comments always remind me of a stalinist show trial in which the accused enthusiastically accepts being executed for the greater good (probably to save his family).. after this kind of nonsense is expressed, you will get a flurry of self righteous comments emphasizing how important it is to shun your disfellowshipped relatives, so that they can come back in the "truth".. oh, really?

  do any of these people raising their hand realize that, if the "success" of disfellowshipping depends on your shunning, then the "repentant" person is "coming back in the truth" for the sake of their relatives -and not because of fearing jehovah !!!???.

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  @ Sizemik - I share your sentiments. I have contacted a few DFed people and let them know that their JW status means nothing to me. I merely seek their friendship and apologize for my disillusion.

  I asked my wife recently a question. That is, if her DFed friend, that actually used to be a best friend, came and asked her for help desperately needed, would she make herself available? She responded she didn't know. So then I asked, if it were a "wordly" person and they were in desperate need of help, would she make herself available? Without hesitation, she said yes.

  I asked if the the reason for not helping her former best friend was because 3 men declared her a sinner and as of yet had not declared her forgiven or repentant. She said no, it had more to do with Jehovah's arrangement. I mentioned that while there could be a basis of DFing based on the scriptures, who sets the precedent for who is forgiven, or for how long it should be that they are rejected and ignored by everyone?

  Of course no answer. I said that then she was willing to follow something that could be based on the Bible, claim to be a Bible student and yet then also follow something that is not in the Bible, but made up by man and call it Jehovah's arrangement. I ended with that as I could tell she was uncomfortable.

  What a loving arrangement JW's have, indeed!

  CoC
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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 05-01-2011 WT Study (LAWLESNESS)

  by blondie in

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  do you hate lawlessness?.

  can the elders enforce any laws since they cannot read hearts?

  love one another.

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  Oh dear Blondie! How do you tolerate this nonsense?! An unbelievable load of crap in this study. Anyhow, thanks for your review.

  The DFing section particularly annoyed me. I already commented on it in another thread specifically addressing that subject. ( http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/209741/1/Todays-WT-Study-Stupidity-About-Dfing )

  But I will repost my thoughts below.

  I find it interesting that DFing is a punishment for a crime committed by an unrepentant person. People in the real world are also punished for crimes.

  But isn't it weird, that even as imperfect as "worldly" people are, they are still willing to offer their help to a convict?

  For example, while a convict serves their term, they are given rights. Family is often able to visit with them as well as friends, even if it is on a limited basis. Also, some sort of rehab is offered during the sentence term, and perhaps even after, to help the person avoid the errors in the future (assuming they will be released, and yet regardless of that, they still have rights) and so that they can be better equipped to be readmitted into society. Again, I state, imperfect people do that.

  And yet, in the congregation, full of imperfect people, where most "crimes" don't even come close to deserving literal jail time, upon conviction, you lose EVERYTHING. No friends, no family, no contact. And while "serving the term of your conviction", there is no rehab offered by those that did the convicting, nor are others encouraged or allowed to help. The rehab is only offered after the convicted "comes back to Jehovah".

  SO, who has it wrong? Imperfect, caring, concerned individuals, or "Jehovah's organization"? I'll take number 1 for $500, please, Alex.

  It's definitely noticeable now the direction the society wants to take on this subject. Sickening.

  CoC
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  Today's WT Study Stupidity About Df'ing

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in today's watchtower study, towards the end, you had one of those typical comments by a former df'ed witness expressing appreciation for being shunned.

  these comments always remind me of a stalinist show trial in which the accused enthusiastically accepts being executed for the greater good (probably to save his family).. after this kind of nonsense is expressed, you will get a flurry of self righteous comments emphasizing how important it is to shun your disfellowshipped relatives, so that they can come back in the "truth".. oh, really?

  do any of these people raising their hand realize that, if the "success" of disfellowshipping depends on your shunning, then the "repentant" person is "coming back in the truth" for the sake of their relatives -and not because of fearing jehovah !!!???.

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  I find it interesting that DFing is a punishment for a crime committed by an unrepentant person. People in the real world are also punished for crimes.

  But isn't it weird, that even as imperfect as "worldly" people are, they are still willing to offer their help to a convict?

  For example, while a convict serves their term, they are given rights. Family is often able to visit with them as well as friends, even if it is on a limited basis. Also, some sort of rehab is offered during the sentence term, and perhaps even after, to help the person avoid the errors in the future (assuming they will be released, and yet regardless of that, they still have rights) and so that they can be better equipped to be readmitted into society. Again, I state, imperfect people do that.

  And yet, in the congregation, full of imperfect people, where most "crimes" don't even come close to deserving literal jail time, upon conviction, you lose EVERYTHING. No friends, no family, no contact. And while "serving the term of your conviction", there is no rehab offered by those that did the convicting, nor are others encouraged or allowed to help. The rehab is only offered after the convicted "comes back to Jehovah".

  SO, who has it wrong? Imperfect, caring, concerned individuals, or "Jehovah's organization"? I'll take number 1 for $500, please, Alex.

  CoC